Prove that God does not exsist

   
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Have fun- I am a Christian so I do believe in God, bt so many people askin to prove that he does exsist and I wanna know if any1 can prove that he doesn't. 

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08-10-2008 13:59

I believe someone set about a few years ago to prove he didnt exist and couldnt. I'm agnostic so i havent made my mind up yet. I believe theres something out there but i'm not sure what. I also think sending people to hell(no matter how bad) just because of what they've done during there life isnt right. I mean after all a humans life span is very small compared to eternity. I personally prefer the re encarnation idea, but thats just me.

Tbh i dont think we'll ever know if God exists or not.

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08-10-2008 14:17

Yea each to their own, I am just being nosey lolSmile
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08-10-2008 14:20

lol fair enough I have several friends who are Christian and i also went to a CoE Primary school and so far i  still havent made my mind up. Lol i think i'll reserve judgement til i die and find out.

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08-10-2008 14:21

That sounds like an interestin idea. lol.
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08-10-2008 14:26

BENTRT
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albroxs wrote the following message...

I also think sending people to hell(no matter how bad) just because of what they've done during there life isnt right. I mean after all a humans life span is very small compared to eternity. I personally prefer the re encarnation idea, but thats just me.

Tbh i dont think we'll ever know if God exists or not.

Where is your standard of right. Since you don't get your sense of right and wrong from God it's just an opinion? Since it's just an opinion it doesn't necessarily mean that your view of right and wrong is indeed right. Can your justify why sending people to hell (no matter how bad they are) is wrong in your view, out of interest.

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11-10-2008 00:40

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Gregory
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I'm an atheist, just personally don't have time for religion. I think that you can start to disprove a lot of religions by looking at how they are composed. For instance, Egyptian, Greek, Roman religions can be proven to be incorrect by todays scientific knowledge. Also note that the gods in these religions come from the surrounding environment. I.e, Egyptians believed in jackal, and Ibis headed gods, Romans believed in chariot riding gods, and gladiator gods. In modern religion, we have hindus who believe in tiger and elephant related gods. Tigers and elephants being common animals in India, suggesting it is the work of fiction. People interpreting their surroundings into stories.

But it is difficult to disprove Christianity on the same grounds, because it follows only one god, who created us in his form. I think that it is impossible to disprove many things however, and if there is no way of proving it, then it should just be discounted. Arguably, the bible and other gospels could be regarded as proof, but would that sort of evidence hold in court? I think seeing as the laws of physics declare that water can't be parted or turned into wine, and you can't create infinite amount of mass from a finite source (bread and fish miracle) that what is written in the bible is false. Just my beliefs though. Impossible to change the minds of some religious peoples, but thats where I stand. Feel free to disagree with me =P.
 

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11-10-2008 01:02

The Big Bang!

 

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11-10-2008 01:11

Phoebe.
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I think that using an argument for God that you cannot disprove the existence of God is a tad daft, but many people still use it because there is little else.

I see it along the same lines as 'I believe in unicorns'. You cannot prove that there are no unicorns in the world if I describe them as invisible and indetectable, but this certainly does not mean that they exist.

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11-10-2008 07:52

Joyy:)
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The Big Bang!

 

You can't just say 'the big bang' as if that proves God doesn't exists, at least explain. The big bang is a theory, not a proof. Plus whos to say God didn't create the big bang and evolution and therefore still exists.

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11-10-2008 09:38

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lulu
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Joyy is right- one can't say the 'Big Bang Theory' disproves the possibility of there being a god, because it doesn't. Also about the unicorn comment, perhaps unicorns do exist- one can't see evidence to the contrary. Gregory focuses on disproving various religions, but eamesy's original question was about the existence of a 'god', rather the truth of various ideas about 'god(s)'
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11-10-2008 09:54

this one is me
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gregory- i dont see ur logic, or maybe i do, but i dont agree with it. if u cant prove something, yet at the same time cant disprove it, then u cant just write it off. im sure u must have heard this, but if i said all swans are white, unless i can see all swans in the world, which is next to impossible, the theory can only reach a certain level of certainty, but not be certain, because no matter how many white swans i see, there is still the possibililty of a black swan. karl popper, philosophiser, called it a falsification test, and said it is key to any scientific experiment. in this same vain, i would say science does not disprove god, only models of god. as for the water to wine, the whole idea is that jesus (pbuh) was a prophet, so he did miracles to prove it to the "disbelievers". miracles cant be explained by science really.

as a few people have said, big bang does not disporve god, not by a long shot. as the quran states, "do not the disbelievers see, how the heavens and the earth were joined together, and then we split them assunder?" now even many muslims are not aware of this verse, but the general consensus from the scholars, i believe, is that it is a reference to the big bang. the idea being the universe as we know it was created by god "doing the big bang", and then created life on the earth. tho as joy says, u could argue god created evolution too, but i dont think any monothiestic religions would argue this, since the idea of adam and eve undermines any such argument.

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11-10-2008 13:04

Stevie
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I'm a christian. God does exist, though at times i feel God doesn't like during your low times, and you'd ask God, why aint you helping me.. thats that, but no God or God. I believe someone did create the world, universe and everything. Clock work theory, everything is been made prefectly, it all fits (i.e. food chains, cycles, etc.) and how can it all just happen. Like a watch.. who makes it? A watchmaker. So the Universe, (orbits, etc.) who made it? God?
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11-10-2008 13:25

Cuttlefish
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Being an agnostic, I'm not going to rise to the challenge. However, I will say that, for me at least, the best argument against any one religion being true is the presence of so many others with equal standing.
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11-10-2008 14:06

Gregory
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The watchmaker theory has no logic in my eyes. If the universe hadn't been created in it's perfect state then we wouldn't exist to be marveled by it, and perfection is in the eyes of an observer. Why are bubbles perfectly round, and planets perfectly spherical? Gravity pulls planets into spheres, and bubbles express an equal amount of air pressure in all directions. That's the account of their perfect shape. Not a creator.

Stevie, I noticed that you said 'God does exist.' Nobody can claim this and I can't claim that he doesn't. Fact of the matter is, no human alive today has sufficient proof to be SURE of his existence. That's why it is called faith. 

Lulu, to help explain my logic, our only evidence of the existence of a god is religious texts, which were written by humans. I've shown that all cultures have a compulsion to explain the unexplainable by inventing stories of gods and creation, which through time have been shown to be false. Now that we live in an age of great scientific discovery, I believe that the miracles of the bible can be disproved using laws of physics. You might argue that that is what defines them as miracles, but personally, I just feel that they couldn't have possibly happened. Also, the story of creation in Genesis can be proven false because we have discovered how old the planet really is and things such as evolution and the existence of dinosaurs. So, if some of the bible can be proven to be untrue, why believe any of it? And without the credibility of any religious texts, then why believe in a god? there is no evidence to back his existence.

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